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Thursday, October 07, 2004

Bush's Credibility Issue, #5: Health Care

Dear Conservatives,

I was willing to take your candidate as a man with honor who just proposes the wrong solutions to our problems, but I was wrong. I should have remembered John McCain and South Carolina.

Today, Bush called Kerry's heath care plan "Hillary Care." While I try as much as possible to keep things around here civil, I must say this: Bush is a lowlife slimeball. Kerry's plan is in no way like that of Hilary Clinton's. If you want to know the real story, it's this:

Kerry is actually offering TAX REBATES to SMALL BUSINESSES for offering their employees complete health care. Companies will be able to benefit from a tax deduction that reduces their risk in paying for catostrophic costs. Since most people in America work for small companies, it's bound to benefit large numbers of Americans. By making small businesses more competitive as employers, (more of them will be able to offer their employees health care) this would also make the job market more competitive. Hell, it would make the whole economy more competitive.

Has the truth finally come out that Republicans are really against tax cuts for small businesses? Yes, Kerry will rollback taxcuts for those making over $200,000, to do this-- so fine, Mr. Bush, call him a tax-raiser if you want. Faced with Bush's alternative: gigantic tax cuts for pharmaceutical companies who don't need them and in turn also won't lower drug costs-- and that's all of it-- which would you choose? To compare Kerry's plan to a nationalized health care plan which the Republicans rallied the whole nation against, is not only below the belt. It's downright false.

If you want to read the plan for yourself here's the link.

6 Comments:



Blogger Andrew said...

Word.

10/08/2004 01:15:00 AM  


Blogger Redneck Texan said...

If you say so man.

I really dont have a clue on this subject. Domestic policy is not my single issue, the security of my family is.

The healthy Redneck's health insurance policy cost his employers over $1300 a month, the Redneck dont pay a dime of it. I really dont consider health care or economic issues when considering a president at this time in our history. I really dont think Presidents have much control over the economic cycle, or the outrageous amounts of money liberal jury's award ambulance chasing personal injury lawyers, which when combined with Pharmaceutical companies, Insurance executives, and Doctors all getting rich off of our current health care system, raises the cost of premiums to whatever the rules of supply & demand can support. I really dont think Kerry (or any president) is going to be able to do anything to alter that equation. But I do think he has enough lack of character to suggest that he can, if it will help him assume executive power.

I also dont think every American has a "Right" to affordable health care. I dont think that it should be a role of our government to regulate this or any industry. As long as Americans are willing to pay asinine premiums on health care, I cant blame the industry for taking the money. And since my employer pays all of my health care costs, I will let him decide if he would rather pay more in taxes, for a break in health care costs. He told me today he was voting for Bush, so apparently he sees the big picture too.

If Kerry is trying to convince the small business owner he is their friend, he has a lot of work to do. Going around talking about raising their taxes isn't making him much headway, as they are not as gullible as his base supporters such as Unions, Govt. Employees, Homo-sexuals, minorities, welfare recipients, or flaming liberals like yourself.

Like I said Gus, if you want to vote for Kerry because he will bring us a step closer to your socialistic fantasies, thats your call. I would rather see American children waiting in line to utilize the free health care system we already have, than to see their dead bodies lying in our streets due to another terrorist attack on our soil, after your choice for president proves to you he dont have the spine to prevent it.

10/08/2004 03:46:00 AM  


Blogger Gustav said...

I do say so.

I do have a clue on this subject.

My mother is a physician who got tired of the bureaucracy and nonsense at the managed care gigundo-hospital she was working at because the insurance companies were dictating how she should treat her patients. If she wanted to perform an expensive test or prescribe an expensive medicine, she had to jump through endless hoops-- or she simply wasn't allowed. Now she works at a private practice where insurance companies don't tell her what's best for her patients. She went to medical school, not them.

And this is exactly why I don't buy the "ambulance-chaser-evil-trial-lawyer" argument. I think lawyers (or shall I say, the patients they represent? Remember, the lawyers are representing REAL PEOPLE) should extract all the money they can from insurance companies who squeeze out expensive treatments to increase profits at the expense of their patients' health. Since you can't put a whole insurance company in jail for negligence, the best you can do is keep the settlements high as dis-incentives and punishments for making the doctors tell patients to take an aspirin when they should be doing a CAT-scan. High mal-practice settlements mean the insurance companies are punished when they mistreat their (sick and vulnerable) clients.

I know how much you conservatives hate regulation but:

I dont think that it should be a role of our government to regulate this or any industry ??

Now who's living in a utopia? Do you really trust those bastards with your children's care? My mother is a pediatrician, and she doesn't. She's voting for Kerry.

I must admit that I don't have a detailed record of Edwards' cases, but I doubt he made his reputation (and his money, indeed) on malpractice cases. I don't have the time to look it up here, but I'm sure you can. A verification on this point would be appreciated.

I also dont think every American has a "Right" to affordable health care.

Why? Aren't people who work as waitresses and factory workers, who work on a wage and not on a salary entitled to Health Care as well? Perhaps only Texans deserve health care. What can I say. You and I simply differ on this point. Everybody has a RIGHT to health care. And not just every American either. We live in a civilized society, not the jungle, where it's kill or be killed, as much as the Republicans would like to turn America into one.

As long as Americans are willing to pay asinine premiums on health care, I cant blame the industry for taking the money.It's not a matter of choice, Red, it's a matter of necessity. We're talking about folks who need to go to the doctor regularly because they have asthma or diabetes or lukemia. They're willing to pay those premiums because the alternative is death. That's why they're voting for Kerry. At the very least he'll make it legal to import drugs from Canada, which will be a real relief for hardworking families. It will keep pharmaceuticals honest too. Have you ever heard of a pharmaceutical company laying off workers? Ever wonder why not? It's because they're monopolizing and price-gouging. Pure and simple.

And since my employer pays all of my health care costs. . .

You're lucky. Not everybody's does. But all politics is local, as a great Democrat once said, so I can't blame you for not caring about those less fortunate than you. God forbid anything happen to you or your family, so that you'll never have to worry about the sky-rocketing costs of heath care.

If Kerry is trying to convince the small business owner he is their friend, he has a lot of work to do. Going around talking about raising their taxes isn't making him much headway, as they are not as gullible as his base supporters such as Unions, Govt. Employees, Homo-sexuals, minorities, welfare recipients, or flaming liberals like yourself.The Economist put it in black and white two weeks ago when they said that Bush's plan wouldn't bring down the cost of health care one whit. But conservatives who are convinced that Kerry will raise taxes every chance they get, and who don't like the fact that he might be educated or speak French, believe Bush. Now who's gullible??

Homosexuals is spelled without a hyphen. Oh, and I can't wait to have that argument. Tell me, are you for big government telling you who you can or can't marry? Or would you rather have the government regulate what you're doing in your bedroom?

Yes, I am a flaming liberal. Proud of it.

Like I said Gus, if you want to vote for Kerry because he will bring us a step closer to your socialistic fantasies, thats your call. I would rather see American children waiting in line to utilize the free health care system we already have, than to see their dead bodies lying in our streets due to another terrorist attack on our soil, after your choice for president proves to you he dont have the spine to prevent it.Yes, my socialistic fantasies. You hit the nail right on the head. You know, I sleep every night with the "The Communist Manifesto" under my pillow. But be careful, it just might be that your man has so much spine he won't be able to turn his head away from "My Pet Goat" to prevent the next attacks. Prevention can occur using several methods-- violence is one, but used alone will only make the problems worse. I'm worried about your kids when THAT happens.

10/08/2004 07:42:00 PM  


Blogger Andrew said...

I worked out a reply to Red's comment during my commute this morning, and when I finally got around to writing it I found that Gus have made the same points as I would have (though less the Gus' mom references).

Red shows an amazing empathy with his boss, maybe because he is one of the lucky ones with full insurance paid. I work for a smallish company, spend %10 of my pay on health insurance, feel no empathy for the boss and smirk at his constant complaints about workers comp., unemployment, and health care costs.
I smirk at you too Red, as you seem to be a member of the same priviledged class.
And to paraphrase Red:
And since my employer does not pay all of my health care costs, I will NOT let him decide if he would rather pay more in taxes, for a break in health care costs.
I do not, however, support a national health care system if it is underfunded or ill-conceived. Anyone who has lived in Poland knows what kind of situation this creates- anyone who can possibly afford it will pay out of pocket to go to a private clinic and avoid the public system. Gustav knows firsthand about this. How do you get out of a stuck elevator anyways?

10/09/2004 01:10:00 AM  


Blogger Redneck Texan said...

Shit man I spent an hour shooting your argument to hell, only to lose it somehow with an errant keystroke. Dammit

10/10/2004 02:41:00 AM  


Blogger Andrew said...

Ooch, so, I won't get to hear your argument that if my boss was forced to pay for my healthcare, I would have no job at all?

10/11/2004 08:21:00 PM  

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