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Monday, October 24, 2005

With 90% in

Kaczyński: 54.47%

Tusk: 45.53%


Blogger Becca said...

*deep sigh*

10/24/2005 01:10:00 PM  

Blogger ~JS said...

i think it's a wake up call for many people in poland who seem to think their country is actually doing better than it really is...warsaw is not poland, we live in a bubble here (though living in praga i see the underbelly of the shiny, news constructions in the center)...people need to unite under some common values...

10/24/2005 01:48:00 PM  

Anonymous Kinuk said...

The problem is that now with Kaczynskis in charge, we'll all be Praga-bound. It'll get worse before it gets better. Waay before. Oh, and getting rid of the only honest, hard-working banker we've got is a sure way to bring the country to its knees. Save Balcerowicz, I say, screw everything else!

10/24/2005 04:29:00 PM  

Blogger Gustav said...

Which common values js? Cutting taxes and making sure gays don't get married? So far those are the only similarities I see between the parties. The people in the city don't have anything in common with those dumb hicks in the country, who I'm pretty darn pissed at right now. You're right. Warsaw isn't the rest of Poland, thank god, thank god.

As far as the economy goes, getting rid of Balcerowicz will hurt, but I think it's PiS' raft of public spending projects that will really ruin the economy.

Poland will never make it into the euro zone this decade, and the other new members who manage to will have (yet another) head start on Poland.

Poland just threw billions of euro in foreign investment out the window.

10/24/2005 07:48:00 PM  

Blogger ~JS said...

the gay issue is contentious in most countries of the world, try getting married, let alone even holding hands with your partner in some parts of usa and you'll find yourself hogtied to a fence...so i wouldn't really hold poland to a higher standard...granted, this is warsaw, the capital city, so we should expect more inclusion...but it can't be forced from the top, acceptance should be the *result* of a deliberative process at the level of public debate...

additionally, i think the handicapped community has a bigger claim to public attention - the infrastructure around warsaw (though positive signs are emerging) communicates exclusion of this community at every street corner, curb, pedestrain bridge, etc..etc...

we can't put the cart before the horse -- in order for gays to march in usa cities, there were many more who risked life and limb before them...

10/25/2005 09:41:00 AM  

Blogger Gustav said...

i wouldn't really hold poland to a higher standard

I hold everyone to the same standard - equal rights pure and simple. There are no excuses for being too poor or too religious or too stupid. Yes, most countries in the world don't allow gay marriage. Most of the countries in the world are unjust. Equal rights - is it such a high standard in the first place?

it can't be forced from the top, acceptance should be the *result* of a deliberative process at the level of public debate...

I wonder what you would have said during the 60s in the US. Peaceful or not, a fight for a major societal shift was being forced - and finally from the top, in the form of court rulings and the Civil Rights Act. Should there have been a "debate"? Hadn't there already been one?

Hasn't the debate over equal rights for homosexuals lasted long enough? How long should homosexuals wait to be equal?

But that's not necessarily what I was talking about - it's a part of the whole. City folk and country folk are very different in this country, and everybody knows it. Education and infrastructure needs to get to those people in the country, and quick, but every time there's an election they vote against it. They're condemning themselves as well as us to at least five years of this quacker-jack troll - mostly because they're afraid Tusk is going to take their public schools away. Their gullibility is what ticks me off most.

I agree that this country could do much better with access for the disabled. But I don't consider demanding the rights for gays to marry "putting the cart before the horse." The issues neither exclude nor depend on each other.

in order for gays to march in usa cities, there were many more who risked life and limb before them...

Send Polish gays to Iraq! Then we'll let them march.

You might even get Giertych behind that one.

10/26/2005 12:22:00 AM  

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